swimmer963 ([personal profile] swimmer963) wrote in [community profile] last_herald_mage2018-08-04 10:11 pm

A song for two voices - book 6

This story is getting HARD to write and I'm not super happy with this draft yet, especially re: pacing, there is way less intense action and it's much more a bunch of loosely connected side plots than I would prefer, and it probably doesn't end in the right place, but it's already taken me forever and is at like 180,000 words, so here, have a rough draft :)

(Note: I have made a bunch of changes to book 5 since the last draft I posted here, which means there isn't perfect continuity between the old book 5 and this section. I've listed major plot-relevant changes below, and I've also linked to the more recent and improved version of book 5.) 

Book 6 MOBI
Book 6 EPUB
Book 6 RTF 



Covers:
*Savil and Van trying to patch things up after the events of the end of book 5. Drama.
*Some clarification on what Leareth is up to, in case you were curious.
*Lots of magical research.
*Stef and Medren have adventures.
*Political drama. Vanyel is not great at politics. 
*There miiiiight be a side plot where Need shows up.
*Jisa getting trained as a Mindhealer.
*Checking in Lissa, Karis, Shavri, Tran, etc etc etc (there are too many characters in this series and they are all amazing and deserve their own side-story, damn it Mercedes Lackey)


New Book 5 MOBI
New Book 5 EPUB
New Book 5 RTF








Major plot changes made from last draft of book 5: 
-Rolan doesn't come back right away, and Tran gets re-Chosen by Delian instead. (Justification: I think it loses a lot of the impact of Taver's death to have Rolan immediately show up as a replacement) 
-Jaysen still dies but no longer calls Final Strike (because my friend thought there it was too much "a chain reaction of spontaneously combusting Heralds") 
-MOST IMPORTANT: the mystery of Leren's assassination attempt is resolved within book 5 and Vanyel finds out it was Leareth's plot. (I mean, I *think* this was canon already, but main thing is that Van already knows what's up by the beginning of book 6) 

[personal profile] liana12 2018-08-05 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes!!!!!! I'll try to be a good girl and keep it till my holiday in 2 weeks. Just one think re Delian, isnt that canon that as soon as one Grove Born dies, another one comes out of the grove to choose the Monarch's own? Like in Exiles, after Taver's death in the battle with the Tedrel?
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[personal profile] kaza999 2018-08-05 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
hooray!

holy jeez i just finished this and you've got the original series 'drop a mountain on everyone's heads' style down flat lmao--between the blood magic, need, stef taking a dive in a river, van's constant state of crisis and starwind's injury everything is nuts! and that ending, oh my gosh!!!! jeez what the heck is going to happen? where'd yfandes go? this is wild!

my favorite line in the entire thing has gotta be: "“Is it just me,” Randi said dully, “or does Van not actually listen to me anymore?”" i have no idea why it's so amusing but it kind of sums up van's entire existence lmao

stef's huge friggin crush on van (and van's parallel concern for stef) is wonderful and i loved the scenes they were together--also stef's preference for older men is very obvious and also hilarious

shavri is so badass here! between having need and her awesome healing abilities, she is so cool! i do like how when we see her from jisa's point of view, she isn't necessarily the best mother in the world--a lot of her duties and problems take away from being a better parent.

i love your description of jisa's mindhealing abilities.

man, i hope the thing with yfandes gets sorted out. she's one of my favorite characters and it seems out of character for her to reject van like that, even if he is asking really scary questions.

and lastly, it's always sunny in valdemar, or; vanyel's current mental state:
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[personal profile] kaza999 2018-08-05 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
oh i'm so relieved to hear about yfandes! (also yesss i so want to see an exploration of companion programming overriding a companion's actual personality--fandes is stubborn and loves van to a fault, but i could totally see companion compulsions getting in the way of that) their relationship is one of the ones most central to the original story and i really want to see yfandes getting as worked up about godly involvement in their lives as van is (and i think she would given time)

oh savil is going to be so immeasurably pissed (also she's going to blame herself so much. poor savil)

i noticed the arrows parallels! dara reminded me of talia at first blush, and ofc stef getting almost killed by bullies--i really liked that inclusion.

i thought stef and van's interactions were very natural. stef has the hero-worship crush on him he does in canon, and he's still too young to be attractive to van, so van is more platonically concerned at this point in time, but still feels drawn to him. stef and van's connection also feels natural in that despite the hero worship, stef doesn't carry the baggage for van that van's other friends do

i liked how you highlighted how need wasn't detecting any women in crisis among the tayledras--helps to establish how different valdemar and the tayledras really are.

i'd love to see more of jisa and van's relationship! i really really loved the scene where jisa first accidentally uses mindhealing on him--i suspect van's mind looks nuts to a mindhealer and we got descriptions of many of the other characters' minds, but not his.

jisa is also one of my favorite characters, and i'm glad we're going to see more of her! (my favorite aspect of her tbh is that she's such a sweet person but she definitely inherited van's stubborn streak lmao)

aaaah i can't wait for the next part! :)
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[personal profile] kaza999 2018-08-05 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
part of the charm of lhm is because van is such a heroic, mythical figure in the rest of valdemar, and seeing him be so human is really interesting. basically, van is a complete mess no matter what universe :D

these poor people are in such a mess...and on top of being pissed at van, savil and fandes, there's the very real self-blame (i really loved when shavri and savil especially recognized that van is like this because valdemar needed a weapon)--yfandes is subject to companion duties/programmings, savil and van subject to their own heraldic duties that sometimes superscede personal ones, and of course, the gods fucking around with everyone's lives.

i like the exploration of the end result of van's own personal philosophies--he considers conflict and war intrinsically bad, and had circumstances been different, he probably could have pacifist leanings. his distaste of destiny and problems with authority shine through in particular here--ofc he's going to listen to leareth, because, well, maybe he has a point. ultimately van's behavior is totally logical considering circumstances (in particular his increasing stress and alienation, as well as deteriorating mental state)

(i loved how stef is quietly the most sympathetic to van in the blood magic matter. 'cold bastard, but our cold bastard' i love that! that's very stef, and it's good early stef/van relationship building--they have each other's backs, where savil and yfandes and medren might push to guide, or jisa and shavri and randi need support, stef and van are more partners, complete with similar moral compasses)

more jisa and van would be good, actually! vanyel's mind and aura looks so different from everyone else's, due to the broken lifebond--clearly jisa knows something is very wrong with him, but no one has explained it, because it's such a difficult concept. i could see jisa approaching van with questions about why his mind is like that (that could also lead into conversations about lifebonds in general, and in particular shavri and randale)

yeah, i was trying to visualize what a broken lifebond would look like, actually, in particular what van might look like to jisa or another mindhealer, and it's really a tricky thing to try and express:




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[personal profile] kaza999 2018-08-07 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
i think lifebonds begin to 'take root' when someone meets their lifebonded, but the lifebond doesn't get developed properly until both parties have an actual relationship with each other. jisa might notice something a little different about van after he's met stef, but it probably wouldn't be easy to identify.
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[personal profile] kaza999 2019-01-21 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow! I'm glad my art is being enjoyed 😊

First I want to see that mug😄

And just let people know where you get my art from--i don't really have an online presence except for dreamwidth, so link (or whatever) to my dreamwidth
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[personal profile] kaza999 2019-01-26 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so glad they like it!
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Re: Added scene: Jisa finding out about broken lifebond

[personal profile] kaza999 2018-09-23 09:56 am (UTC)(link)
eee i love it!

it's interesting that jisa doesn't really know a lot of the circumstances surrounding van's choosing, but it does make sense. i could guess that the heralds wouldn't want to talk about it much.

this will be fun when stef and van begin to have a real relationship--i bet jisa would be able to see the change immediately :D

[personal profile] gildaurel 2018-08-10 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
So many things I love about the way you've filled in this time period. I really like that Vanyel meets Stefen earlier; I always felt it was a bit implausible that he would never have met Medren's star pupil roommate. I also like how Vanyel seems to be pulling away from everyone into the private person he is in Magic's Price- you pace that very well. His lack of caring about seeing Tantras or not is well done-- I hope that they reconcile, because I feel like Vanyel's actions were understandable.

My only qualm is that I don't like losing the heroism/ idyllic Vanyel (the trial), but that's because I love my Sue Vanyel who is perfect in every way, ha, even if I know it's not the techincal best. And maybe people are coming around to seeing him that way again?

Looking forward to the next part.

(Anonymous) 2018-08-10 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I definitely see that and feel like it's way more realistic-- I agree that it works in your story really well. I guess I was thinking about Randale and Tantras' reactions, mostly, which made sense but also made me sad. He only has like three friends anyways, poor Van!!

I also was totally hoping that Guildmaster would take him up on his drunken flirting, but it was very noble of him to refuse. I like to imagine everyone wants to bone Van, all the time, haha.

[personal profile] liana12 2018-08-23 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
finally had time to read it all, and loved it. Book six is so, so good, you did great job turning a slighgtly creepy fairy tale into a full-fleshed adult world (well, minus magic horses and some such, but you know what i mean). I love the way Van thinks, and questions everything, and how it explains him becoming more and more of an "ice-mage". How they all, in fact, THINK, ask questions, research. How they react to the problem of lack of mages - let's try and find a solution, instead of doing nothing and waiting. YOur Shavri is a great character, finally a woman Randale could have fallen in love with, and then I also absolutely love Karis. Please, give us more soon; I'm dying from curiosity. Plus, baby Stef is absolutely cute.

[personal profile] liana12 2018-09-02 02:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Just reread parts of book 6 (I love it and cant wait for more) and something occured to me re Laereth. What he says, his way of thinking to sacrifice thousands for the greater good of millions - that's exactly how communist ideology worked, and Van's gradually being sucked into it is exactly how very intelligent people could be seduced by it, ignoring even the most horrendous crimes. Perhaps I'm biased, living in one of the post-communist countries, but the similarities are striking to me. First, we have to sacrifice thousands of people fighting for the greater good and a completely just world which will happen once communism is fully installed. Then, it turns out not to be so easy, and (as by Stalin) the class fight gets worse with the progress of communism, because the last representatives of capitalistic oppression become desperate and fight harder. Of course, in the very harsh world at the end of WWI, the idea of a state with no oppresion, no property, eveyrone getting what they needed, seemed beautiful, and plenty of people fell for it. Some very well educated, very bright Russian lawyers are a case in point, giving up all the values they were taught to invent the legal framework of the new, beuatiful world. As a lawyer myself, while reading their writings I couldn't believe my own eyes, how such great professionals could not have seen what a hell they were building a framework for. And yet. Which made me think of Vanyel. Of course, many years and tens of milions of dead later, it turns out it was all deception, meant to justify a tyranny of psychopats....But perhaps it's where you took your Laereth from and I'm just late at noticing it :)